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Mentawai Counter Point: Response to Joey Cones Interview

An email from Ray Wilcoxen

ED NOTE: During Jeff Mull's interview with Joey Cones (INDO TRIP GONE AWRY), Mr. Cones, in an effort to protect personal and commercial interests, would not tell Mr. Mull where or with whom his 'incident' occurred. Thankfully one of the main players in the incident, Ray Wilcoxen, sent us his side of the story. We of course want to give you both perspectives, so discerning readers can make the final judgment. What you see below is a direct email response from Wilcoxen.

Culture collision


This is Ray Wilcoxen. I see that the story of what happened a few days ago is getting terribly twisted. I'd like to try to clear things up.

This is what happened as best as I can recall. Considering how unexpected and intense the situation was, maybe not everything is 100% correct, but it's close. Sorry it's so long. I just wanted to paint as clear a picture as I could.


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I was coming back from a surf check with a guest. I saw a bunch of people doing something and steered the boat in to take a better look. There was probably 10 or so local guys on the beach with a white guy (Joe) and 2 or 3 local guys with another white guy (Steve) in a boat. Everybody was yelling! I steered toward the boat and Steve jumped out of his boat and swam toward me. The local guys were yelling at me, telling me that Steve was crazy and that he and Joe beat one of their friends. I motored toward the shore and saw Joe sitting on the beach. He was bleeding from the side of his eye and he was looking pretty dazed. The locals were calling for me to give them Steve so they could give him a beating too! I asked what the hell was going on and the locals said these guys were staying in a shack near our resort and that Joe had accused a local guy, Edward, of stealing his mask and snorkel. Joe was pissed about it that afternoon and that night. First thing the next morning he went looking for Edward. Edward probably stands about 5 foot 2 and weighs probably 115 lbs. Joe and Steve found Edward with a friend and Joe just proceeded to start punching Edward. Steve said he did nothing, but the locals said he helped but did not say how. Anyway, Edward's friend ran for help. When help arrived, Steve had already run off and Edward was bleeding from his cheek and blood was running out of his EAR and Joe was CHOKING him. One of the locals tried to stop Joe, and Joe kicked him. The locals then grabbed branches or whatever they could find and beat Joe. They beat him pretty badly, Joe told me later. After that, they saw Steve, who had returned to see what was going on, and chased him over to where I entered the situation. There was another guy there from Argentina (I'll call him Gonso) that was staying with Joe and Steve, and he told me all of what the locals were telling me was true, and even added some things about how obsessed Joe was about the missing mask and how he openly told everyone he was going to punch Edward out.

I had never seen these usually friendly people so angry! They wanted to beat Steven, but I told them that would only create a bigger problem and to just take the guys to the police. After some heated talk, they promised to not hit them again but told me that these guys had to be held responsible for what they did and that if I let them get away, I would be held responsible, whatever that meant. I told Joe and Steve that they were probably going to jail. But Joe was looking hurt so I told the locals we had to get a doctor for him first. They got pretty mad at me again and pointed to the blood coming out of Edwards ear and his now swollen face and blamed me for not caring about local people. I told them the doctor would look at him too, of course, so me and Steve went back to the resort. I had forgotten that our doctor left the day before so there was no one to help, but at least that gave Steve a chance to use our phone to call his parents to let them know what was going on and it gave me a chance to grab some resort money to see if I could buy them out of trouble. In America, Joe would be going straight to jail for what he did, and probably Steve too for going with him when Joe was hunting down Edward, if that is all he did, but here in Indonesia I thought we could buy them out of trouble. Perhaps going to Edwards village and paying off the family would settle things and no police would have to be involved.

When we got back, Joe was already resting in our worker housing, but the local guys told us that word had gotten back to Edward's village of Edward's beating and that there would be a bunch of pissed off people coming any time. I called a local friend in Padang for advice and he said to get to Siberut and to the police there ASAP. We had to get out of there before they arrived. With no authority around, it could get ugly. The thought of trying to get to Padang never came up, but if it had we could not have done so because none of our boat drivers at the time had the experience to take our canoe 80+ miles across the open ocean to Padang. And lucky we didn't decide to do something that stupid because by the time we would have gotten our fuel ready and gathered up the compass and GPS and all, the mob would have arrived on the island and who knows what could have happened! So we changed our plans of settling things in Edwards town, Mole Limo, and jumped on the boat and headed for the police station in Siberut. If Joe and Steve went to jail, they went to jail, but at least they would be safe. We were only 15 minutes away from the resort when we met 2 small canoes with 3 or 4 people each in them. Some of the people in them were angry and yelling, but the kepala desa (Moses), the head government person in the area, was there as well so I was confident that nothing really bad would happen. His boat, the more calm or the two, came alongside and Moses jumped in our boat and we sped off. We talked about settling the whole thing in Mole Limo again, but then a BIG boat came towards us with probably 30+ people on it, and they were VERY angry! They were yelling and screaming for us to stop! Joe and Steven thought they were dead for sure! And I remembered the chapter in my psychology 101 book on mob mentality, and I knew that once the violence started it might not stop until people were dead, no matter how reasonable these people usually might be, and I could very well have been one of the dead! Moses called for calm and told them that he was responsible for Joe and Steve's safety. But they looked SO angry and agitated that even Moses had doubts he could control them, so the talk of going to Mole Limo stopped and we were on our way to Siberut again! We went full speed ahead away from the big boat full of pissed locals, but it wasn't long before one of our engines began to stall! The 2 smaller canoes caught up with us and boarded our boat. Moses and I pleaded for calm and the only violence was a little slap to the head of Steve. With a stalling engine and the chance that the big boat would catch us, our only choice was to change plans again and head to Mole Limo, Edward's hometown, but also Moses' home town where he would have the most respect as well. Moses and I were able to get everybody on our boat to promise us that there would be no violence if we went to Mole Limo, and they agreed. When we arrived there, we were greeted by some unhappy people, but we easily were able to pass them with calls for calm. We then went to a house that was built of cement and Joe and Steven were put in a back room. The locals put a bookcase against the window of that room for Joe and Steve's protection and then guarded the door until the big boat arrived. When it did, they stormed the building. But the guys, true to their promise, guarded the door and called for calm. Gonso and I were not safe in the room with Joe and Steve and almost became the target of the mob's anger, but the other locals protected us. After about 10 or 15 minutes of yelling and pushing, things cooled off. The most angry of the bunch left, then I entered the room where Joe and Steve were. Steve was really shaken up, and why wouldn't he be? For the past 2 or so hours he thought he was going to jail, and for the past hour he thought he was going to die! Joe was looking pretty composed, seemingly resolved to just take whatever happened as he had pretty much looked the whole time, although he got lightheaded and lay down later. I told them everything was going to be fine. We all then told the story of what happened to Moses and a few others. It was obvious Joe was guilty of starting a fight and beating a local and Steve was part of it by association at the least. The only thing left was what the penalty was, which, in this neck of the woods, equates to how much money they had to pay. You have to remember, this is not done with just foreigners, this is how they settle all their problems. Problems are settled in cash or bartering. Sometimes jail time, but that can only happen if the police are involved. I am in the middle because I am the only one that can translate. The locals first wanted 200 million rupiah (about 22k dollars). I told them they were out of their minds. They went outside to talk with everyone and came back with 75 million rupiah (about 8k). I told them that was a lot of money, even for a white person. I told them that Joe said he was from a poor family and I told them I believed that he was telling the truth, and I said the Steve was only 19 years old and was too young to have that kind of money. I told the locals that these guys were not my guests or my friends and I was telling them the truth. But they insisted on 8000. I told them Joe and Steve had next to no money on them. That is why they were staying in a shack instead of our resort. Gonso said he had 1000 dollars and I told them I had around 2000. Gonso could loan Joe and Steve 1000 and I could buy their surfboards for the 2000 that I had and they would have 3000 in hand that day. I told them just to take the 3000 and be satisfied. They again insisted on 8000. I told them that if they wanted that kind of money, Joe and Steve would have to call home to get it sent from the US and that the government there would surely get involved and call the Indonesian government and it would be a big problem for everybody. They still insisted. What else could I do? After much debate, we settled on the locals holding their passports until we could get to a Western Union and get the rest of the money. They typed out a confession of the beating of Edward because Joe thought he stole his mask, and it included a promise to pay the rest of their debt and that the passports would be held until they did. After I explained to them what it was, we all signed it.

We all then exited the room into the bigger room, then sat down and Joe and Steve said how sorry they were to everybody for what they had done, and the locals told Joe and Steve to go through the police or kepala desa when something happens instead of beating someone like that. Everybody then shook hands and hugged and said sorry, and we left. Joe and Steve returned with me to the island. Joe returned to the shack he had rented and Steve came with me and enjoyed a cold drink at the resort and used our phone to call his parents.

That night I talked with Steve's dad. I assured him everything was ok. It was only a matter of paying money and they could get home, no problem. I knew it was a lot of money to pay, but it was better than an Indo jail, which is where I thought they could easily be. And, to tell you the truth, I wasn't feeling too sorry for them at this point. They beat a defenseless little guy until his face was swollen and bleeding, and his ear surely had a perforated ear drum and quite possibly permanent hearing loss looking at all the blood coming from his ear. A few surfboards and 6k was not making me feel sorry for them. And all over a fricking mask and snorkel! I didn't say any of this to Steve's dad. Steve seemed like an alright guy so I didn't want to tell his dad about this ugly incident. I told him they were safe. He begged me to go with his son to get the money to make sure he would be safe. As busy as I was, I could not say no. How could I? He offered me money to do it, but that was not the reason I went. Believe what you want. So the next morning I accompanied them to the closest major city, Padang.

In Padang, we were immediately taking to the police. It was a surprise to the locals that had accompanied us to exchange the money for the passports, but not for me. I had a small hope that Joe and Steve could just pay and leave, but, like I told the locals the day before, this was surely going to be an international incident and a big problem for everyone. Now I had to worry about them going to jail for who knows how long and at what price, or worry that the US government would be pissed at me because they thought I had not done the right thing by not reporting to them what had happened, or worry that the local people where I work and live, which is just about the most remote place in the world, would be pissed at me because they might think I reported them to authorities, or worry that the police would be pissed at me for bringing trouble to them! I sat in the car with Joe and Steve thinking about how badly my situation sucked, and I had literally risked my life to get there!

In the police station I was relieved, although admittedly surprised, that the guys would not go to jail. I think it was super lucky for them that we did not reach the Siberut police with Edwards swollen face and bleeding ear. I was also surprised that the letter of guilt and promise to pay was deemed legal, even under the circumstances it was signed under. So I guess that evens out. I was also surprised that the person the US Embassy sent to gather information and assist Joe and Steve in Padang was a person that has a long standing, nasty feud with one of my partners and also is in a bitter fight with an association that my other partner heads, which to some is sort of a land resort vs. charter boats fight, and this representative the owns charter boats and we have a land resort! . How can someone be sent by the US government to compile information with a huge conflict of interest like that! And, by the way, in the police station I had a policeman, obviously unhappy with the situation, try to get me to give him my sunglasses then proceeded to say terribly degrading things to my wife in front of me when I did not. Just the cherry on the top, eh?

I can't believe how Joe and Steve have apparently crucified me. I know it was confusing for them because they did not understand the language but, after all I did for them, they should sure as shit be giving me the benefit of the doubt! First, I get out of my safe boat and throw myself between Steve and an angry mob and negotiate both his and Joe's safety after they beat the crap out of a defenseless little guy, taking the responsibility of them going to the authorities upon myself in exchange for their well-being. Then I grab resort money and accompany them to try and buy them out of trouble, and end up almost possibly getting killed by an out of control mob. After helping to calm a village full of riotous locals, I negotiate the best I can and get them back to their rented shack before nightfall with a promise of a rented boat by early morning to take them back to Padang then out of the country. Then I accompany them to Padang because Steve's dad begged me to make sure he was safe, even though we have our most important group of guests ever arriving at the resort in just a few days, and there I have to pay for the boat Joe and Steve rented, which they will probably never pay me back for (almost 900 bucks!), and have to sit and listen to a policeman humiliate my wife and me. And my reward for this is that my character gets brutally asaulted in the media apparently with Joe and Steve's blessing. Unbelievable.

I don't want to tell anyone what my character is like. Please just start asking people that know me. When they come back to you with their assessment, please picture me in this traumatic and unique situation and make your own conclusion. If I made any bad decisions, it was because of a crazy and unpredictable nature of what was going on. I hope there is at least one responsible person in the media who will come down here and get the true story. Interview all the locals and myself, and most of all learn the customs and laws in the very remote part of the world. And I hope that at least one of those guys will want to clear his conscience and tell the story the way it was. They owe me that!

Reader Comments 
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 4:29 PM — By Matt VanderVander
All day Ray Wilcoxen is the coolest, most laid back individual in the world. I can't believe any of that even happened on one of the most beautiful island chains in the world. Such a bummer that people have to ruin the Aloha vibe and let their tempers get the best of them. People need to realize its like the Lord of the Flies out there- Joe and Steve are lucky that their heads aren't on a stake somewhere in front of Bankvaults or Hidewaways. Ray Wilcoxen should be praised for his actions not condemned. Sounds like Joe and Steve are a couple of Duechebags who are lucky they're not sweating in some Indo prison smoking cloves and catching new and fun STD's.
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 4:31 PM — By Matt V
All day Ray Wilcoxen is the coolest, most laid back individual in the world. I can't believe any of that even happened on one of the most beautiful island chains in the world. Such a bummer that people have to ruin the Aloha vibe and let their tempers get the best of them. People need to realize its like the Lord of the Flies out there- Joe and Steve are lucky that their heads aren't on a stake somewhere in front of Bankvaults or Hidewaways. Ray Wilcoxen should be praised for his actions not condemned. Sounds like Joe and Steve are a couple of Duechebags who are lucky they're not sweating in some Indo prison smoking cloves and catching new and fun STD's.
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 5:35 PM — By Terry H
Ray… Good to hear the other side to this.. I’m just a little confused? A) Did they (Joe and Steve) end up paying Edwards family the rest of the money?... B) Did you get the extra money that Steve’s Dad wanted you to have for taking them to Padang? I know that this incident is a whole lot more than money but it would help us all if we knew that donkeys did pay the money (or told you they plan on paying it). I think that both Joe and Steve need to get on here and write an apology not just to Edwards family and the people of your island but to all of the surfing community that they have smeared across the Globe.
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 5:54 PM — By MKW
Tough situation to be caught in. I am sure karma will be on your side for a while.
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 6:14 PM — By kit
Traveling surfers, pull your iPod earbuds out of your ears and your heads out of your asses and show the people and land you are visiting some respect.
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 6:33 PM — By Yoyo
"No good deed goes unpunished"
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 6:49 PM — By Jah
where is the joey cones interview...Joey sounds like u should stay at home, What a disgrace u are to the rest of us! They should have beat u down!!!! Lucky to be abl eto buy ur way out...and all for some mask and fins!!! Oh feck!!! Get a life!
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 7:15 PM — By Henry
I posted this in the original version yesterday and I humbly repeat it here: Please do not let the fact that this Joe Cones originated from Houston influence your opinion of Texas (or Hawaiian as originally reported)surfers. We are all individuals on this planet responsible for our own conduct. The vast majority of Gulf Coast surfers have a good sense of travel etiquette and are filled with respect for local priority, culture and custom. We are saddened and sickened by these events, however they went down, we pray peace and healing for all!
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 8:22 PM — By Eddy Hickle
It's such a shame that Hawaii has to bring it's "I'll pound your face" attitude to such a peaceful beautiful place. (not saying all Hawaii is like that), but the Sunny Garcia - UFC vibe needs to stay on your "rock". Not everything has to be settled with a beat down, especially someone half your size. Karma will certainly play a part here
Posted Wed Jul 2, 2008, 11:00 PM — By Agree Henry
Everyone read Henry's comment before typing anything. Its come out that hes not Hawaiian so lay off em. And don't judge where hes from judge him as an individual. Hes a douche.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 12:48 AM — By Ray
Wow, what a mess this has all become. To answer the question, the confession was deemed legal and those guys were told they still owed 5k. The police told the mentawaiian guys to think about it and possibly just let it go because it had become such a big deal. They thought about it overnight then just told them to forget about the 5k. No, I never got any money from Steve's day, nor do I want any. I wouldn't mind them paying for the expenses we had as a result of all this though, including the almost 900 bucks that we paid out for the boat they rented to get back to Padand, but whatever. I wasn't going to comment on this, but since I'm writing about Terry's question I might as well. Someone the other day wrote that I slapped Steve's hand away or something. What happened was that Steve was hanging on me like a baby monkey on it's mother saying over and over that he did not want to die! After a while I said something like, "I don't want to be an asshole, but you
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 1:02 AM — By Ray
you are making things bad for me." Then I may have unwrapped one of his arms from around me, but by no means did it in a violent way and definitely did not slap it away. No crack against Steve, that was the most scary part of the deal when when that big boat had just come by. I don't think Steven wrote that comment which begs the question, who did and why? There was an email that was sent far and wide just after Joe and Steve got home that was SUPER inaccurate and, in conjunction with the Surfermag article, caused much of the angry comments the last couple of days. Joe didn't say anything negative about me or the resort in the Surfermag article, as he promised to me because I had helped him out, but that email sure did! The long email that is posted here is in response to that email, not the Surfermag article. Again, what a mess! Everybody needs to move a little slower next time with the judgements to avoid catastrophies like this in the future. Late.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 1:48 AM — By the guest
i would just like to verify the first part of ray's version as i was the impartial( i have no reason to be anything else ) guest in the boat with ray at the incident, a heavy scene to say the least , and would like to emphasize that without ray ,"joey" and "sherm" were prety well f*&ked and would probably be fish food by now!! The lack of respect shown by these guys is dwarfed by the enormity of their stupidity,punching a local first and foremost,(punch one,might as well punch a 100 in indo) Being 100 km off the coast with only "local" transport, no where to go nowhere to hide !! As well as their "attitude" witnessed the previous days in the water when surfing near them. I could go on but you get the picture!! The classic example of "failure requires no preparation" ray and indeed kandui resort are to be commended as they essentially saved their arses and should be getting a medal, not the bullshit that has been served up! ray is beyond reproa
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 8:00 AM — By freaked out spanish surfer
thanksfully there is always good people around the globe,but on the other side why does it always turn up that assholes like this two dont learn the lesson,and probably end up causing a fake and terrible image against the rest of the surfing comunnity,concerning to the local crew???my congratulations to ray for being such a altruist and functional person in such a tough situation,the way i see it this two w..kers should say sorry, give ray and the locals the money they owe them, and have the balls to admitt what really happened..but dont worry buddies,the karma will catch you, sooner or later,and there will not always be rays around to save your asses..PEACE AND RESPECT.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 9:33 AM — By carpet
I can only shake my head in disbalief at all this! What is it with all the violence involving American surfers at the moment? Birdrock Bandits,Paps on a malibu beach, and now this! Even in the comments of the original article you've got some idiot threatening to murder the journalist who did the original interview!!!???? This can't be an accurate reflection of surfing in your parts surely? Freaked out Spanish friend, couldn't agree more, PEACE and RESPECT. (Congrats on the Euro's by the way)
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 9:34 AM — By carpet
I can only shake my head in disbalief at all this! What is it with all the violence involving American surfers at the moment? Birdrock Bandits,Paps on a malibu beach, and now this! Even in the comments of the original article you've got some idiot threatening to murder the journalist who did the original interview!!!???? This can't be an accurate reflection of surfing in your parts surely? Freaked out Spanish friend, couldn't agree more, PEACE and RESPECT. (Congrats on the Euro's by the way)
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 9:59 AM — By Federico
Surfer Magazine should have investigate more the version of these two guys that were in trouble. Reading the first strory (their version), and knowing the islands and the people ther, it´s obvious that something was wrong, the story had lagoons and that the two guys did something wrong in the first place and were in trouble for that. Also you can realize easily that they had no brain and acted very very stupidly. Besides you can conclude tha they were totally unrespectfull and arrogant, they never thanked the guy from the resort nor the argentinan who lend them usd 1000. Incredible. Please guys, stay where you are and don´t travel anymore.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 10:48 AM — By southendsurfer
dude, this is nuts. totally a movie. ray, your good deeds will be repaid many times in ways unforseen but you will know them when they happen. i guess travelers wether to hawaii, the mentawais, jersey shore, sebastian inlet, socal, whatever still have yet to pick up the book titled "ETIQUETTE!"
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 10:57 AM — By Ramón
Ray, i want you to know that you did what good people do, and in my believe this two guys that have no respect for the culture, history and nature have no forgiviness. In any part of the world, locals would do the same...bringing justice to their land and people. I have many good friends in Mentawai and i support all their good vibes and judgment. Karma is going to bring justice at any time. I am glad to hear the other part of the story because the truth always win. I recomend Surfer Mag, that before showing an article have the points of view of all the characters envolved. In august i will be visiting another time Mentawai and glad to stay at the resort.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 11:05 AM — By jim
arrogant,and unrespectful.sounds like about 90%of the surf world.especially in so.cal.bye the way i was in playagrande,costarica this year.what a shame.paradiselost.again arrogant gringos showing off there new tech toys,not caring to learn any spanish or local customs.and just staitup s--itting on some of the most humble people ever.I hope this story mellows some of these narrow minded kids will wise up.im going sk8tin
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 12:08 PM — By the Janitor
Ray is one of the most mellow down to earth people I've met in my travels. I commend him for what he did for Joe and Steve, putting his life, and his rep, and his business on the line for these two donkeys. People like Joe and Steve give Americans and surfers in general, a bad name around the world. These two put Ray in a f***ked up situation.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 12:38 PM — By Chris
Dear fellow readers, what a shame this incident happened in the first place. The audacity of traveling surfers to beat a local without proper evidence is humiliating for us as surfers. Secondly, I can't believe that I ever felt sympathatic towards this so called kidnapin g and capture of these poor american surfers. Bullshit, those two deserved to go to court, pay there fine and should have recieved a good old fashion spanking on the way. It's a shame this story was so one sided when it was first published because it's making an incredible guy look somewhat suspect. I grew up surfing with Ray as a kid and he's one of the most mellow, genuine good people one could ever spend time with. The fact that he stuck his neck out for the stupid actions of others shows his strong character even in the harshest of circumstances. So if Joe or Steve read this, apologize, pay Ray the money you owe and bury your head in the sand....
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 1:08 PM — By Lefty
Masks and snorkels ruined surfing.
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 8:04 PM — By hehe
Vote no on prop69, no more snorkels in the mentawais
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008, 11:17 PM — By JakeO
Ray is a legend. Mellow, genuine and one of the most selfless people I have ever met. He runs the resort & is constantly lending a helping hand to troubled/injured travelers who pass by or pitch up on the beach. Joey sounds like a complete prick who I hope gets what's coming to him. I can't believe the journalist couldn't pick what an arrogant waste of time he was - he should've realised publishing the story was dodgey without getting a second opinion. I hope the Hawaiians run this kook from the island for bringing them a bad rep, especially as he's not from there. Enough time wasted on this idiot kook, sorry for Steve for hooking up with the wrong person. I just wanted to vouch for Ray who did a LOT more than most would & has ended up with a raw deal. Ray risked his relationship with the locals & payed out his own pocket to help 2 travelers out of a mess they started. Ray should get a medal - Joe should be shitting himself in an indo prison trying to learn some humility..
Posted Fri Jul 4, 2008, 1:42 AM — By SURFER ADMIN
While all are entitled to an opinion, and we welcome spirited discussion, the use of threats on the SURFER Magazine message boards is entirely unacceptable and illegal. All posts have accompanying IP addresses and personal data, and will be investigated to the furthest extent of the law should the post threaten the safety of any individual - be it witness, pro surfer, or SURFER staff member. We will not tolerate this type of discussion, and encourage you to go elsewhere if you wish to speak violently towards others. Furthermore, Jeff Mull expressed no opinion in his editorial and cannot be faulted for conducting an interview with the subject of an international incident. The entire event is extremely unfortunate for all parties, but we cannot overstate the illegality of physical threats that jeopardize the safety of others. If you wish to post, think about what you are going to say carefully - it's the law.
Posted Sun Jul 6, 2008, 11:49 AM — By 808Neighbor
From a verbal first hand account, as well as the three media releases of the story, we should have learned that it was Joey who was the instigator in this situation. I believe for Steven this is a guilt by association situation. Steven is a close friend, unassuming in nature and kind at heart. He is a gentle soul who wouldn't intentionally disrupt the peace anywhere he travels. I have traveled with him and can vouch for this. Please Ray... as you can recall... your account starts after this initial incident had taken place. Second hand, i know the true nature of the incident before you had seen the 10 angry locals on the beach with Joe and the 3 locals with Steve on their boat. Joes prerogative was to fight for his snorkel but definitely not Stevens. He didn't fight any locals there on the beach and only until being wrongfully accused of himself beating and threatening the local people, was he threatened.
Posted Sun Jul 6, 2008, 11:56 AM — By 808Neighbor
Being a sympathetic resort owner yourself you may know of this guilt by association effect for example the backlash you are feeling from this whole incident. Yes Joey was wrong for what he did, yes you did what was right to remedy the the situation in your and their best interest, but NO Steven should not be thrown under the bus as to the effect as everyone here on this posting has done. On behalf of Steven thanks for your consideration
Posted Sun Jul 6, 2008, 4:30 PM — By Contentious
Land Camps will ruin the Mentawais. It had to be said, and it was said many times before but they greedily wanted to gain local status by building land camps on unstable islets. In the name of working with the locals to better their economies. We will stand witness to the destruction of this beautiful wave garden.
Posted Mon Jul 7, 2008, 1:15 PM — By Julien----former guest
Had the pleasure of staying at Ray's resort. Ray is the kindest, most caring man with true compassion towards the local people. i feel bad he got stuck defending these morons but i'm not surprised he did so because of the type of person he is. I can't believe any negative coments could ever be directed towards Ray or Kandui's. Ray really did the incredible for a couple idiots who deserved nothing more than local justice. i hope these guys can recognize that and praise Ray for saving them.
Posted Tue Jul 8, 2008, 12:52 AM — By Gabe
Wow, Ray is an amazing person and it is unfortunate that him and the rest of the island are having to deal with this. Hopefully a little "Ray" rubs off on everyone because of it.
Posted Thu Jul10, 2008, 2:00 PM — By Dana
I have been to this area and throughout all of Indonesia. Anyone that has travelled there knows these are the nicest and friendliest people in the world. I was treated with kindness and generiosity and asked nothing in return for 3 months. I cannot even understand how an Indonenesian would even physically fight. Maybe unless you are a Brazilian. I have heard of Brazilians gettin in some trouble there but just to generalize we all know how Brazilians are in the water (as a group). This article surprised me a lot. Indonesians as a whole are a very sharing and caring culture.
Posted Sat Jul12, 2008, 8:09 PM — By 80s Indo traveler
I'd like to comment that there is a vibe these days that can be found in surfing. I've surfed some of the best wave of my life in Indo in the early days, many trips and nearly 2yrs of surf time there. Then I come back to California after living in Hawaii for 12yrs and trips around the world surfing. And in Carlsbad CA I get locals at this chest high warm water spot vibing me. So I'm cool with it and just try and lay low and get some scraps. I'd not surfed for about a year after a battle with Melanoma, so I'm a bit off surf wise. Serious this was my first surf in nearly a year. It's me about 5 of these bad attitudes. I catch about 4 waves, I'm cut-off on all. Then I think I've got a wave to myself, looked like one of these guys is going right. Next thing I know a board is shot at me. And then all of them start yelling that I go in, to get the F out of the water. It is just insanity. The tatoos, skinned heads, probably just got done watching taped UFC before the
Posted Sat Jul12, 2008, 10:39 PM — By 80s Indo Traveler
Cont. surf session. How did the kid get bloodied? Was he hitting himself too? You could have ran away but you did not Joey. But everyone here, don't lump Hawaiians in to a group that most should not be in. I really feel after surfing for 40+ years that there are some modern bad vibe elements out in the world these days, that some who surf embrace. Listen to much of the modern music, it is full of aggressive hate. Tattoos look hateful and "Bad Ass". I've seen some clips of the Hawaiian beat downs. Dont think that the bad ass attitude is only in Hawaii though. I hope Edward gets better. I hope this Joey fesses up and give the truth and apologizes to Edward and the Indonesian people and pays up to all he owes. Your going to have to live with yourself Joey. Do the right thing and tell the truth.
Posted Sun Jul13, 2008, 12:13 PM — By Flaird Camelton
This kid is a prime example of what is wrong with the surfer attitude present in lineups all over the world,not just Hawaii. Beating the shit out of someone for a snorkel? He is lucky that the villagers didn't kill him.People get so hung up with their tough guy acts the forget that in the real world people will kill you for nothing.Treat others with respect and you will get respect.We are all human beings. Well most of us anyway.
Posted Thu Sep 4, 2008, 11:15 PM — By the truth shall set you free
SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THESE COMMENTS ARE DESPARETELY COMING FROM THE MONEY HUNGRY OWNERS OF THE CAMP WHO ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO MAKE KANDUI ISLAND EXLUSIVE TO THEIR RESORT. WHILE CHARGING SUCH HIGH DOLLAR FOR THEIR FICKLE WAVE, CAN THE OWNERS TRULY PROTECT THEIR CLIENTS FROM HARM AND EXTORTION. THE ISLANDERS GOT AWAY WITH $$$ MORE THEN JOE GOT AWAY WITH. WHAT´S TO STOP THEM FROM DOING IT TO SOME ONE ELSE
Posted Fri Sep 5, 2008, 12:06 AM — By get da facts first
Ray is a hardened extortionist in his own right. Does everyone realize Ray was already planning on going to Padang City to get major supplies for his important customers that were arriving 2 days after the incident.Ray had to go no matter what! So if "Poor Ray" is genuine he would stop F"#@ing crying about his $900 boat ride! Does everyone realize, Ray gave Joe and Steve $2000 for 8 brand new Arawkawa´s and JC´s (2 of wich were high $$$ epoxies). Ray definately didn´t give the boys the $2000 out of the kindness of his own heart, that´s for sure! Does everyone realize that the so called innocent kid that joe confronted wasn´t even a kid. Edward is actually 26 years old with a history of stealing and of course the camp owners are defending him, he works for them. Who is Joe or anybody for that matter, to Ray and the rest of the owners when your not staying at their over priced camp.

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